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		<description><![CDATA[PUBLIC STATEMENT ON TODD BENTLEY FROM REVIVAL ALLIANCE
Dear friends, several years ago, six leadership couples came together formed a relationally based, non-denominational network called Revival Alliance.
When the Lakeland revival broke out Todd Bentley and the revival meetings were coming under much criticism. At the suggestion of Peter Wagner, three of the members of the Revival [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=rahabsplace.wordpress.com&blog=1423129&post=149&subd=rahabsplace&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>Dear friends, several years ago, six leadership couples came together formed a relationally based, non-denominational network called Revival Alliance.</p>
<p>When the Lakeland revival broke out Todd Bentley and the revival meetings were coming under much criticism. At the suggestion of Peter Wagner, three of the members of the Revival Alliance team went to Lakeland because the Alliance as a whole wanted to express support for the Lakeland Outpouring and to commission Todd as a revivalistic evangelist. Having been powerfully touched in the Toronto outpouring, and seeing the opposition that came from leaders in the church because of that movement, we wanted to stand with Todd and deflect some of the personal assaults that were coming against him. Many of the attacks were coming from well-respected Christian leaders, people that we still hold in high esteem. Yet the mandate from the Lord was clear. And we stood with Todd and the Fresh Fire Ministries team to both endorse and support this move of God.</p>
<p>Rory and Wendy Alec of God TV also took tremendous risk in airing the revival prime time and broadcasting it to over 200 nations around the world. Their heart is to capture and release the move of God, no matter where it happens, or who God uses as His instrument. This unparalleled media attention gave unusual advertisement for the outpouring. But it also put their whole team in an unusual, high-level position of receiving both praise and criticism.</p>
<p>The impact of the Lakeland Outpouring has been amazing, and it still continues. The record of conversions and miracles of healing is extraordinarily great in number. And the spreading of the revival to nation after nation has also been very significant. The God TV broadcast stirred up the hunger in people from around the world to go to Lakeland and receive from God, but then bring it home to their local churches. Impartation seems to be one of the unusual markers of a genuine move of God. Revival fires began to spread around the world as a result of the impartation received at Lakeland. But as great as the fruit has been, so have the devastation and fallout from Todd’s personal failure.</p>
<p>While there must be no toleration or whitewashing of sin, there must also be no allowances for ungodly judgments in the name of Jesus. Hatred often masquerades as a passion for holiness. And while the church has had its share of tragic failures of leaders in recent days and equally tragic reactions, we must get this one right. It is possible to promote holiness and accountability in the spirit of grace.</p>
<p>The quickness to condemn and abandon a fallen comrade has caused us as much concern as has the actual sin of our friend. Some want to humiliate and expose Todd before the world. And then there are others who want to point to the obvious anointing on Todd’s life as the sign of God’s approval of Todd’s behavior. Neither is acceptable to us. There must be deep repentance and thorough restoration.</p>
<p>The restoration process must be firm but loving, while holding to the Kingdom standards of both holiness and grace. The initial goal is not to get Todd preaching again. It is to get him healed from the issues of the heart that have brought devastation to his family, and such shame and failure to him. His gift will always function when given an opportunity. We just want it to come from a place of personal victory and triumph this next time.</p>
<p>Since the announcement of Todd’s leaving his wife, Revival Alliance has been working to help restore our fallen brother. Sin is disastrous on any level, but it is well known that “to whom much is given, much is required.” Gross sin from someone on Todd’s level of influence is devastating. Even so, God is ready to heal and restore.</p>
<p>Todd recently spent three days in Redding, California, with Bill Johnson dealing with the issues of his personal life. Following that, he went to Morningstar Ministries in Charlotte, North Carolina, to be with Rick Joyner for the same reason. Rick, along with the Morningstar leadership team, has offered to help in his restoration. With great confidence, Revival Alliance recommends this as the appropriate process for Todd’s healing and restoration. Todd will be moving to Morningstar Ministries to live for a season. Rick Joyner’s wisdom, along with the strength of the Morningstar community of believers, will be a great support to Todd as he deals with the heart issues that brought about his failures. A council of three has also been formed to give oversight to the restoration process. Rick Joyner, Jack Deere, and Bill Johnson will give oversight as needed.</p>
<p>We appreciate the prayers and support of countless numbers of believers who have continued to support Fresh Fire Ministries. We also appreciate the prayer support of so many for the Revival Alliance. We are also very thankful for Rick Joyner and his whole team that will be working to bring about a complete healing to our friend, Todd Bentley.</p>
<p>It should also be noted that effort is being made to ensure that Shonnah (Todd’s wife) and children are also cared for and given opportunity to receive ministry and help. As you may imagine, they have suffered great hurt from this failure.</p>
<p>There are many in Fresh Fire Ministries who also need help. Efforts are being made to serve them as best as possible. John Arnott recently invited the Fresh Fire Ministries associates to Toronto for their Signs and Wonders Conference to receive personal ministry and encouragement. These kinds of efforts will continue.</p>
<p>Bill Johnson, John Arnott, and Rick Joyner have each spent time with the Fresh Fire Ministries board, and will continue to assist them as needed through this tragic season.</p>
<p>Fresh Fire Ministries will continue their crusades and conference schedule around the world. They are a group of ministers with much integrity and a great heart for the lost. Pray for them as they maneuver through the challenging season ahead, while serving the church at large.</p>
<p>We are thankful for the honor of being involved in this crisis.</p>
<p><strong>On behalf of Revival Alliance:  John Arnott, Ché Ahn, and Bill Johnson<br />
Thursday, October 23, 2008</strong></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"></span>The heart of God is always redemptive, that is the whole message of the gospels.  God wants to redeem His creation, not destroy it.  That&#8217;s why Jesus came.  If God wanted to judge the world and destroy it, He had ample opportunity &#8211; just ask Noah.</p>
<p>Unlike other failures in the Body of Christ, Todd Bentley is not being cast into outer darkness to fend for himself.  He is surrounded with people who genuinely love and care for him and his family.  He is submitting to a restoration process in a loving community of Christians who want to see the deep issues in his life resolved so that he can be truly restored to usefulness in the Kingdom of God.</p>
<p>I believe this whole situation with Todd has exposed something in the body of Christ:  the difference between hirelings and fathers.  When parts of Todd&#8217;s failures became public knowledge, there were a slew of statements given.  They fell into two categories, those who loved Todd and those who were engaging in CYA activities.</p>
<p>The CYA crowd were ready to cast Todd off without a second glance.  They actually reminded me of the Pharisees reaction to Judas when he came to them and said, &#8220;I sinned,&#8221; and their response was, &#8220;Not our problem.&#8221;  When Judas hung himself, their only concern was how to spend the money he had thrown them.  This group saw Todd as a &#8220;problem&#8221; and not a person with deep wounds who needs ministry.</p>
<p>The fathers (and mothers) on the other hand, continued to love Todd and extend their hand to him.  Not one of these for an instant condone things Todd has done, but he is theirs and they will not disown him.  They are committed to walking with Todd through this and ministering to him.  They are committed to seeing him freed from the sin that has ensnared him, and seeing him walk in that freedom.</p>
<p>Our Heavenly Father doesn&#8217;t cast off His children when they fall.  There is only one sin that He has placed beyond His grace, and that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.  For everything else that we do, the Blood of Jesus cleanses us from ALL sin.  God has made provision for the forgiveness of everything we do that violates love, but He has given the Body fathers to help us find the roots of our sinful behaviors so those roots can be destroyed and the sin eradicated from our lives.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I received this in my email from Chad Taylor of Consuming Fire Ministries.  All I can say is, AMEN.

 WHY I AM STILL A FRIEND OF TODD BENTLEY&#8217;S
Chad Taylor
Aug 26, 2008

WHY I AM STILL A FRIEND OF TODD BENTLEY&#8217;S
By Chad Taylor
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I received this in my email from Chad Taylor of Consuming Fire Ministries.  All I can say is, AMEN.
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<span style="font-size:x-small;font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica;"> <strong>WHY I AM STILL A FRIEND OF TODD BENTLEY&#8217;S</strong><br />
Chad Taylor<br />
<span style="font-size:xx-small;"><span style="font-size:8pt;">Aug 26, 2008</span></span><br />
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<div><strong>WHY I AM STILL A FRIEND OF TODD BENTLEY&#8217;S</strong></div>
<div>By Chad Taylor</div>
<p><div>MY DISCLAIMER:  To all the so called apostles and prophets releasing their letter&#8217;s and essays on the claims of moral failure of Todd Bentley in a abortive attempt to save face you may want to stop reading now.  This is not written for you.  Even if you do read this most likely you will never heed it because you have already taken the posture of judge and jury.  If you did read any further I may become your enemy too lining your linear notes for upcoming sermons and treatises for &#8220;morality&#8221; and &#8220;unity&#8221;.</div>
<p><div>Is it so easy to forget that in the trenches and fox holes of rabid ridicule and persecution that the greatest testimonies are made?  Like Paul who suffered extreme judgment from his peers he emerged from the pit and prison of past failure and present persecution with this testimony, <em>&#8220;At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge&#8230;&#8221;</em> (2 Tim 4:16-17).</div>
<p><div>The house of cards that we currently call &#8220;apostolic and prophetic&#8221; is quickly imploding as the unsaved world watches in utter amazement.  The Jesus of the Bible who flung Himself in the line of fire as stones of judgment were about to be hurled; who later stated boldly to that day&#8217;s &#8220;revival alliances&#8221; and networks of ambitious and ostentatious, &#8220;<em>Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you&#8230;&#8221;</em> You may want to stop reading now.</div>
<p><div>Heaven is not lined with &#8220;networks&#8221; and &#8220;prophetic clubs&#8221; that prophesy and prophesy and never come to any knowledge of the truth.  Heaven is filled with trophies of grace that are marred and scarred with the sweat of great achievement and in the end, even in failure can claim as Samuel did in the Bible to do more in a few days, weeks or months than those faint hearted facile figures that stand on the sidelines of history never willing to engage and only criticize.</div>
<p><div>To the doom and gloom prophets who are shouting from the housetops (and YouTube), &#8220;I told you so! I was right!&#8221;  You are left more wanting than them all.  Rather than don sackcloth and ashes and discover what is truly apostolic and prophetic you have chosen the shallow guileful path that has no blood, sweat and tears.  In the deep ruts of your insecurities and lack of true identity you hurl stones of rhetoric around the world wounding rather than warning.</div>
<p><div>Like Job&#8217;s friends you stand just outside the circle peering in never able or willing to sit down in the dirt with them.  Your cowardice and inability to truly love will be your undermining.  Oh if we truly had an apostolic voice in the land that cried with Paul! &#8220;<em>For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren&#8230;&#8221;</em> (Rom 9:3).  Paul the Apostle knew what it meant to stand in the gap.  We however have mastered the art of rebuke, arrogance and emulation.</div>
<p><div>If anything I pray this can be a small diversion from the religious witch hunting that is rampant in the Church today and is targeting my friend and brother Todd Bentley.  If we have the liberty to do this to our own flesh and blood then what becomes of the poor pitiful world around us in our dire inability to love unconditionally?  The bedraggled, decrepit, dilapidated are already dead in their tracks with their alternative appearances, repulsion of religion and complete utter disdain for our current Christianity.  Church, it&#8217;s about to pay up as the Great Judge stands at the door of our current crisis and collects His due,</div>
<p><div>&#8220;So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow servant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.  (Matt 18:31-35).</div>
<p><div>I am still Todd Bentley&#8217;s friend because the Bible says I should be, <em>&#8220;A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.&#8221;</em> (Prov 17:17).  Unlike thousands if not millions of Christians that naively follow the ebb and tide of public opinion that can change as suddenly as the weather; God has instructed us to be radically different.  Love is not a double barrel shotgun of accusation but rather a mighty shadow that covers a multitude of sin apparent or illusionary.</div>
<p><div>I am Todd&#8217;s Bentley&#8217;s friend because it is unpopular to be so now!  Jesus loved the disdained and was drawn to the controversial.  Even in their apparent sin or demise He stooped in the ground and wrote untold secrets as the religious elite and self proclaimed apostles ranted and raved &#8220;according to the law&#8221;.  What we have now is a mad dash to distance ourselves from the back lash.  Jesus never ran, He took the blunt of religious rip tides and plunged into them.  He sat in the sinner&#8217;s house and allowed the prostitute to wash His feet.  That was His world one void of any reputation, ours is a well oiled and organized conference scene with polished music and prophetic crescendos as the masses soak.  Jesus preferred the lepers and illegitimate as He spent countless sleepless nights in their presence; we are drawn to meetings and church buildings as the orbit of planet earth careens toward a climatic end.</div>
<p><div>When it was popular to be Jesus&#8217; friend they heaped upon Him accolades and endorsements and clamored to be in His company.  They called Him &#8220;King&#8221; and cried His praises in the streets.  If their had been the internet and modern technology in the First Century it would have been streamed around the world as every camera captured the epic moments unfolding daily.  With even more intensity they would rapidly report on His apparent failure and the headlines would read something like this, &#8220;JESUS CHRIST IS NOT WHO HE CLAIMED TO BE!&#8221;  or, &#8220;PROMISES TO RAISE HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD IS OBVIOUS FRAUD&#8230;&#8221; or even, &#8220;FALSE REVIVAL HITS JERUSALEM AS THOUSANDS FILL THE STREETS!&#8221;  The book of Acts would have gone down in flames under our current regime.</div>
<p><div>I am still Todd Bentley&#8217;s friend because he is God&#8217;s vessel and like our predecessors David, Jonah, Moses, Peter they will rise to the moment again and make history even in the backdrop of their shortcomings.  Friend, if you need something else to forward, blog, gossip and talk about &#8211; simply send this letter and then let&#8217;s strive to hit the high mark of God&#8217;s love and prove to the agnostic and atheist that we are still able to forgive, cover and love just like Jesus did so long ago.</div>
<p><div>If we spent the energy and time it takes to read the endless articles, long letters from our leaders of &#8220;Why, Who and What&#8221; we could save our cities and streets from utter depravity and sin.  Prophet, quit your rants go find a valley of dry bones and prophesy to them.  Apostle, cease and desist from your damage control and go &#8220;where Christ has not been preached&#8221; and be who you claim to be.  We still have a world to win for Jesus.  (Rom. 15:20).</div>
<p><div>TODD BENTLEY I AM STILL YOUR FRIEND!</div>
<p><div>Chad Taylor &#8211; Aug. 26th, 2008</div>
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<p><div><em>&#8220;It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat…&#8221;  <strong>-  THEODORE ROOSEVELT, (Paris Sorbonne 1910)</strong></em></div>
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Todd Bentley’s Personal Problems
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Here is a portion of the bulletin Rick Joyner sent out today.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;"><span><span style="font-weight:bold;">Todd Bentley’s Personal Problems</span><br />
I did not hear that Todd was going through a personal crisis until the day before our meeting with him here. When I saw him Wednesday night, he immediately wanted to share with me about his personal problems—especially about his recent separation from his wife. Todd did not share this in a way to try and justify himself, but he wanted me to know what was going on with him to give me an out if I did not think he should minister the next day. I greatly appreciated this.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">I still do not know all of the details of his separation, but I did ask him if there had been any immorality on his part, or if he had affections for someone else that was causing this. He assured me that he had never committed adultery, and that there was no “other woman” that caused his separation. Some of his leaders who I talked to also confirmed that Todd had not been in any immoral relationship, though they were all grieving over Todd’s marital problems.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">The problems Todd and his wife have had getting along have been public knowledge for several years. I don’t know enough of the details to blame anyone, but I know Todd quite well, and being married to him has got to be like being hand-cuffed to a hurricane. Todd is so intense he makes Mike Bickle and Bob Weiner seem laid back. I think he is very much like the Apostle Peter. What makes him capable of such extraordinary faith also makes him prone to extraordinary blunders. Todd is an extreme manifestation of an emerging extreme generation. His wife may deserve to sit at the right hand of the Lord in the kingdom, and anyone who has worked with him should be up there close somewhere too.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Like it or not, that is often the nature of those who accomplish some of the greatest spiritual exploits—they also make some of the biggest bloopers. Hearing about these problems did not surprise me at all. Since I have now heard about more details, I’m still not shocked. These are problems, and they need to be fixed, which includes repenting and turning around, but if we want the victories and breakthroughs we all hope and pray for, they usually come through people with the same kind of nature. Right after Jesus gave Peter one of the greatest commendations in Scripture for the receiving the greatest of all revelations, that Jesus is the Christ, and then gave him the keys to the kingdom, He had to give Peter one of the greatest rebukes in Scripture by calling him Satan! (see Matthew 16:18-23)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">However, the Lord did not take the keys back from Peter, even after he later denied the Lord, and even later in his life when the youngest apostle, Paul, had to publicly rebuke him (see Galatians 2:11-15). It seems that most of those who are given these keys to unlock the spiritual doors to the kingdom will also be prone to make major blunders. This type of person is simply not going to do anything small—they will have great victories, and when they have defeats, they will be great too.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">When I was in Lakeland a few months ago, I was told that Todd had been making a real effort to patch things up and heal their relationship, but in June she had left and refused any contact. Todd has now lost hope that it will be worked out, especially now that she has made it clear that she will not even see him. Todd is obviously frustrated and just wants to resolve this situation that has been so hard for so long.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">In marriage, I have learned there are those who admit they have been through times when they wondered if their marriage would make it, and then there are liars. Relationships are hard, and the closer they are, the harder they can be. I tell everyone that I give premarital counseling to that the Lord has ordained their marriage in order to kill both of them! That is true. It is also worth it! The greatest gift He gave to man was marriage and family. However, to have a marriage that is good, both will have to die to themselves. If either one does not make the commitment to lay down their life for their mate and their family, then what was meant to be heaven can be hell.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Family is the foundation of society, and the weaker the family is, the weaker that society will be. The weaker the families are in the church, the weaker the church will be. That is why the family life must be strong of those whom the church accepts as leaders, and there are clear biblical standards for them. If we start compromising the clear biblical standards for morality, integrity, and relationships, we will fall, and we will fail at all that the Lord has called us to. Compromising clear biblical standards can never be on the table—for anyone, regardless of how much power they walk in, how great they can preach, or how they can mobilize people.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">We are also living in a society where about half of the people have now been divorced. Many more are refusing to get married because of the problems they have witnessed and the pain they suffered when their parents went through a divorce. The children are always the biggest victims of a divorce, and the meltdown in family is one of the great tragedies and great emergencies of our times. It is therefore understandable that some want to make a big deal out of Todd’s marital problems—it is a big deal.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">So, should someone who is divorced be disqualified from ministry or from leadership in the church? How can we disqualify someone from ministry or leadership for something that would disqualify God? In Jeremiah 3, we are told that God gave Israel a certificate of divorce. God is divorced. Nearly half the people in our churches have been divorced. A good many Christians now stay away from the church because they have suffered a divorce, and they feel condemned by the church for it. This is an issue that we need to address for the church, not just Todd.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">When God got a divorce, was it His fault? Of course not! He was the most perfect Husband there could ever be, but He had a wayward wife that He finally gave up on. That is what happened, and if you do not believe me, go read it yourself. There is a limit to what even God will put up with and rightly so. There are things that justify divorce. Even so, I think it is because the Lord Himself went through a divorce that He hates divorce so much. Divorce is always a tragedy and usually even more for the children than for the parents.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">I am not at all saying this to justify Todd or condemn him. At present, I still do not know enough about his situation to condemn or justify anyone. Unrighteous judges, who are often those who rush to judgment, are also condemned in Scripture. I am writing this to try to keep some from stumbling by jumping to conclusions. We have a brother, a sister, their children, and a ministry that is really hurting right now. I greatly appreciate Todd’s willingness to keep ministering and praying for the healing of those who are afflicted and hurting, but he, his family, and his ministry need much healing right now. One thing that would help them and the body of Christ, possibly more than anything else, is to see some real Christian charity expressed in this situation and some righteous judges stand up, which is the duty of true elders in the church.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">It would be one of the great tragedies to the body of Christ in our times to lose a ministry like Todd has. He is called to start much more than the Lakeland Outpouring, and just as the Lord went around destroying the works of the enemy by healing the sick, casting out demons, and demonstrating the power of the kingdom, Todd is doing that. He is taking ground in real power ministry on a level that has not been seen in decades. To lose Todd, and to lose Fresh Fire Ministries, would be a major defeat for the body of Christ. We would survive, and we would still ultimately prevail, but the cost of this defeat would be great.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">So what do we do? First, in all things we must keep in mind that <span style="font-weight:bold;">“love never fails” (see I Corinthians 13:8)</span>. How would the Lord respond to this? How can we see this through His eyes? We already know because He showed us. In II Corinthians 5:14 Paul wrote, <span style="font-weight:bold;">“For the love of Christ controls us.”</span> How would we behave if Christ’s love was controlling us? When mankind fell, He did not criticize, gossip about us, or condemn us—He laid down His life for us.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">The world will never believe our gospel of redemption and restoration until we learn to redeem and restore. Let’s take a worst case scenario here and say that Todd was guilty of terrible things and is the one at fault in the separation—what should our response be? We are told in Galatians 6:1:</span></p>
<div style="margin-left:40px;"><span style="color:#800080;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Brethren, even if a man is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, lest you too be tempted. </span></span></div>
<p><span style="color:#800080;"><br />
So, if anyone has been <span style="font-weight:bold;">“caught in any trespass,”</span> those who are <span style="font-weight:bold;">“spiritual”</span> must restore them. Those who are truly spiritual approach every situation with that goal—redemption and restoration. This is more than just forgiving them—it is getting them back to the place they were. The next verse says, <span style="font-weight:bold;">“Bear one another&#8217;s burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2)</span>.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Already there is some gloating over this situation. Some are trying to use it to promote themselves. Every situation like this is a test for everyone. Some will pass and some will fail, and the nature of everyone will be exposed. Those who truly walk in the Spirit of Christ will be obvious. The Holy Spirit is the Helper, and those who truly walk by the Spirit will be trying to help, because they love Todd, his wife, the church, and most of all, the Lord who already laid down His life for them.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">This is a real opportunity for the church to show some maturity and Christian love. This does not mean compromise, but it does mean addressing this situation in an almost opposite way that we have tended to do in the past. We will all reap what we sow, and if we want to reap grace, we must learn to sow grace every chance we get. If we want to receive mercy, we need to learn to sow mercy every chance we get. Here’s a good chance!</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">So what does this mean for the Lakeland Outpouring? I will address that in a bit more depth in the next Bulletin, but for now, it can continue and it can get even stronger. A well has been opened there that does not have to be shut again. However, it does depend on a lot of decisions made by the church there. We should be praying for them and asking how we can help them because they were used to release something very important to the worldwide body of Christ.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>I have already seen a great deal of gloating on the Internet over the problems Todd is having and the obvious satisfaction of certain individuals who are saying, &#8220;See, we were right.&#8221;  You were nothing of the sort.</p>
<p>Todd is having marital problems and that has nothing to do with his tattoos or his angels.  If you are saying that his doctrine caused this then Charles Stanley must have false doctrine, too, and be a false teacher, because his wife divorced him and he has refused to step down.  Now, my New Testament Professor was a Southern Baptist and his wife left him.  As long as he was single, he was not allowed to pastor in the SBC.  As soon as he remarried, all was right in the world of the SBC and he was allowed to pastor again.  Seems a bit of a triple standard here.</p>
<p>I am not privy to the intimate details of Todd&#8217;s marriage, and neither are the of the heresy hunters.  My brother is going through hell and I will stand with him and pray for him.  He&#8217;s my brother and Jesus expects nothing less of me.</p>
<p>Our focus as Christians in this needs to be interceding for a terribly hurt family.  Todd, Shonnah, their three children and the ministry family that they have created need healing.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[USA Today ran a story on the Florida Outpouring which is a little more balanced than the wonderous Nightline piece.  In it they have a little bit different story about names Fresh Fire has provided:
Expecting critics, Bentley&#8217;s ministry distributed a list of 15 people it said were cured, and vetted by his ministry, with [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=rahabsplace.wordpress.com&blog=1423129&post=118&subd=rahabsplace&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>USA Today ran a story on the Florida Outpouring which is a little more balanced than the wonderous Nightline piece.  In it they have a little bit different story about names Fresh Fire has provided:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;">Expecting critics, Bentley&#8217;s ministry distributed a list of 15 people it said were cured, and vetted by his ministry, with all but three of their stories &#8220;medically verified.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Yet two phone numbers given out by the ministry were wrong, six people did not return telephone messages and only two of the remainder, when reached by The Associated Press, said they had medical records as proof of their miracle cure. However, one woman would not make her physician available to confirm the findings, and the other&#8217;s doctor did not return calls despite the patient&#8217;s authorization.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-07-11-revival-healing_N.htm">Fast-rising preacher&#8217;s &#8216;healings&#8217; draw ire &#8211; USATODAY.com</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>The thing that became obvious to me in reading this article is not that people are not being healed, but that they do not want to talk to the news media about it.  They do not want their personal information out for all the world to see or to be grilled by hostile media personnel.</p>
<p>CBN (the 700 Club) has had a bit of a different experience.  They have been running reports on the Outpouring since it&#8217;s early days.  They went to the meetings and have talked to people who were healed.  People were willing to talk to them and to provide medical evidence for their stories.  You can read all the articles <a href="http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/370291.aspx">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;"><strong>Leaving Wheelchairs Behind</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">The first night CBN News was here, eight handicapped people were healed and left their wheelchairs behind.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Cancer had put Dara Erickson in a wheelchair. &#8220;I had tumors going up and down my spinal column. And it wrapped around my spine and cracked my backbone,&#8221; she said.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Her healing came progressively during four days and nights of meetings. &#8220;I guess it was the fourth day, I was out of the wheelchair. And I could walk. I felt my legs get stronger and stronger and stronger.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Caroline Tollefsen-Gonzales can&#8217;t stop moving and flexing her right hand. Before the revival, it was shriveled up like a pain-dispensing claw because of a rare syndrome.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;"><strong>Rare Syndrome Healed</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">&#8220;It attacked the joints, the muscles, the bones, the skin. And it was unbearable,&#8221; she said.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Caroline sent CBN News a medical report a neurologist wrote last year about Caroline&#8217;s right hand, labeling its condition &#8220;Permanent Impairment&#8221; and writing there was &#8220;nearly no range of motion of the fingers with claw-like deformity, and pain from the fingers to the elbow.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">But the first night Caroline came to the meetings, she received a total healing. Flexing her hand by her face, she said, &#8220;I have never been able to do this since it started.&#8221;</span></p></blockquote>
<p>It is, however, a sad statement on the Body of Christ that we are willing to trash a brother due to biased reporting from the secular media, when contradictory information is readily available from reliable, Christian sources.</p>
<p>The Doctrine Police have a lot in common with the X-Files&#8217; Fox Mulder.  The poster in his office says, &#8220;I want to Believe.&#8221;  Unfortunately, the Doctrine Police WANT to believe evil of all those who do not agree with them.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Below is part of an article written by Patricia King at the beginning of the year, long before the current Florida Outpouring began.  You can read the entire article here.

How to respond to false manifestations?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Below is part of an article written by Patricia King at the beginning of the year, long before the current Florida Outpouring began.  You can read the entire article <a href="http://www.extremeprophetic.com/archivesitem.php?art=499&amp;c=0&amp;id=11&amp;style=" target="_blank">here.</a></p>
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<h2><span style="color:#800080;">How to respond to false manifestations?</span></h2>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">As I am writing this article, I am dealing with a situation where someone in our meetings manifested some “mixture” in the area of signs and wonders. They were helping God out. They had experienced the true phenomena of God in the past many times and yet gave into the temptation of the enemy to fabricate a sign. In this case, it was the planting of gemstones in a meeting that were not given by God. There was mixture. The true and the false can operate through the same person.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">When the Lord revealed this to our team, of course we were devastated. The initial reaction was shock, pain, and in some of our team, anger. We had trusted and now felt deceived. We went back and forth at first with doubt that this could even be happening. We did not want to believe that someone had violated our trust. What about the people who came to the meetings trusting and believing? What about their innocence and the violation of that? How are we to handle situations like this? How are we to respond?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">The Lord helped us through with the following insights:<br />
</span></p>
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<li><span style="color:#800080;"> Confrontation. We had to lovingly but firmly confront the offender. They denied it at first. We continued to pray for the Lord to give us the Word of the Lord on the situation and to give us more “evidence”. He did! <em><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The main goal in confrontation is to bring a brother (or sister) to repentance so they can be restored.</span></strong></em> This is part of the LOVE WAR the Body is in.  Oftentimes individuals get hurt when they confront and the response is denial. This can produce more pain and more uncertainty. <strong>It is important to rest in the love of God in the midst of confrontation. Let His peace fill you. </strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong><em>Never confront when you are angry for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.</em></strong></span> It is important not to jump to conclusions but to wait until you have the facts completely in place.
<p></span></li>
<li><span style="color:#800080;">Admit Pain.  We cannot deny our pain, anger, and disappointment, but we cannot let these things build walls around our hearts. I cried before God bringing my pain to Him and <strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">asking Him to keep me strong so that I could help heal the offender and</span></em><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> the Body.</span></em></strong>
<p></span></li>
<li><span style="color:#800080;">Rightly Discern between the True and False. We did not want to throw out the true due to seeing a manifestation of the false. We have seen the true many times over. We have had credible ministries like Joshua and Janet Mills and many others labor with us in the area of supernatural manifestations. They have been real valid experiences flowing through pure hearts. The minister who manifested the lying signs had also manifested the true. We must keep our faith strong in times like these and discern objectively.
<p></span></li>
<li><span style="color:#800080;">Don’t over-react.  It is easy at this point to want to shut down everything – especially your heart. Jesus taught us in the parable of the wheat and the tares not to react in fear or in haste. He assured us that HE will take care of it and will send angels to remove all stumbling blocks out of His Kingdom. In the meantime, we must not lose faith or trust in Him.
<p></span></li>
<li><span style="color:#800080;">Wisdom. Wisdom from above is: pure, peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. (James 3:17) If we ask for wisdom, God will give it. (James 1:5). Wisdom is very important. It is vital that we only proceed as the Father directs. We need to know what steps to take, what to share and what not to share, how to approach the situation, and how to respond. <strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Lord will instruct us if we WAIT on Him.</span></em></strong> God showed us how we could walk in love for this individual, to help them get restored and also to help the Body process. He gave us wisdom on how to uphold righteousness in the midst of an unrighteous act. He is so good and His wisdom is perfect.
<p></span></li>
<li><span style="color:#800080;">Exposure. We are going to see exposure of the false in 2008. Jesus warns us that the things done in secret will be shouted from the roof-tops. Great wisdom is needed in how things are exposed, but there will be increased exposure coming. We must not cover things up even though we want to cover each other during a time of healing and restoration. We cover in love but we expose in truth with sensitivity. We need to walk in the integrity of the truth. We must not compromise.</span></li>
<li><span style="color:#800080;">Keep faith. The enemy desires to produce doubt in our hearts. If he can do this, he has won his battle. When the Lord exposes the false in 2008, <strong>many will fall away due to disillusionment.</strong> Beware of this. Do not close the door of your heart. Remember, the exposure of tares is inevitable. Jesus told us that wheat and tares would grow up together in the same field. Learn to rightly divide but keep your faith strong. Do not shrink back.
<p></span></li>
<li><span style="color:#800080;">Press on. I always like to make the devil sorry he ever tried! Press on for more of God. We are pressing on for more of all that He desires to reveal. If it is of Him, we want it! Allow your love for Jesus and His Kingdom rise up in you like never before. 2008 is going to be amazing!</span></li>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">The heart of God is always, always, ALWAYS redemptive toward us.  Even when we blow it, when we sin.  Because that is the heart of God toward us, that needs to be our heart toward one another.</span></p>
<p>Patricia was violated by this minister.  His violation not only destroyed her trust in him, but it could have had serious consequences for her ministry and damaged her credibility with her partners.  Yet her main concern was how to help heal not only the damage done to the Body of Christ, but to heal the offender as well.  She and her team made a conscious decision to walk in love toward this individual and help them.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 13 shows us the heart of God, because God is love:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#008000;"> <span class="sup"> 1</span> If I speak in human or angelic tongues, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.  <span class="sup">2</span> If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. <span class="sup">3</span> but do not have love, I gain nothing.  If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body [to hardship] that I may boast, </span></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#008000;"> <span class="sup">4</span> Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  <span class="sup">5</span> It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  <span class="sup">6</span> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  <span class="sup">7</span> It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#008000;"> <span class="sup">8</span> Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. <span class="sup">9</span> For we know in part and we prophesy in part,  <span class="sup">10</span> but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.  <span class="sup">11</span> When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. <span class="sup">12</span> For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#008000;"> <span class="sup">13</span> And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. </span></p></blockquote>
<p>I have been appalled at the tone of many of the things I have seen written on the Internet concerning Todd Bentley.  I am not concerned about people&#8217;s disagreement with his theology or teachings.  There are many people in the Body of Christ that I disagree with, but I am not out on a campaign to destroy them.  They belong to God and it is up to Him to discipline His children, not me.  I may spat with people on this or other forums, but when it comes down to it, they are fellow believers and there is a line that if I cross, I will have to answer to my Father for how I am treating His children.</p>
<p>Here is a piece that I came across today that blew my mind.  This was a copy of an email a blogger sent to Destiny Image Publishing.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;">“How can you claim to be a publisher of ‘foundationally spirit-filled’, ‘biblically sound’, and ’spiritually inspirational’ books, when you published Todd Bentley’s book <em>‘The Reality of the Supernatural World’</em>,  which as well as containing numerous scriptural contradictions and deceptions, also contains deliberate intentional lies and false testimony?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Notably I draw you attention to the sex changes of Todd’s alleged encounter with the angel Emma from female to an unnamed male angel on page 230 of the book. (See more details here). This is appalling and indefensible and means that you knowingly publish a liar’s books &#8211; why, is the money in it too tempting for you? Or do you not care about scriptural truth, general honesty and integrity any more?&#8221;</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know about you, but I would beat my kid if I found out she had sent such a rude piece of correspondence out, just on a natural level.  It seems that if you are the doctrine police, the rules of polite conduct no longer apply to you.</p>
<p>This person did not even attempt to confront Todd Bentley.  They took it first to the publisher and then posted the email on the internet for the world to see, without having ever once sought Todd and tried to reason with him about the issues raised here.  Contrast that with what Patricia did.  Contrast that with 1 Corinthians 13.</p>
<p>If you think Todd Bentley&#8217;s a heretic, fine.  You have that right.  If you believe you are attempting to defend the flock of God, you even have a noble motive.  But scripture is clear about how these things are to be done.  Confronting Todd is the first step.  If that gets you nowhere, he has publicly submitted to a group of elders in the Body.  Take your concerns to his leadership.  That is the godly thing to do.</p>
<p>But whatever your actions, you have to love the guy.  You have to pray for him.   You cannot dishonor him.  Scripture says so.  And those of you who continue to attack with the desire for the destruction of this man, you are going to find yourself with God opposing you.  Scripture says so.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enc:  Wagner memo of June 24, 2008
To: Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team: Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, Lee Grady, Steve Strang, Ché Ahn, Jeff Beacham, David Cannistraci, Joseph Askins, Bill Johnson, John Arnott
From:          C. Peter Wagner
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><a href="http://rahabsplace.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/peter_s.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-114" style="margin:8px;" src="http://rahabsplace.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/peter_s.jpg?w=143&#038;h=195" alt="" width="143" height="195" /></a>Enc:  Wagner memo of June 24, 2008</p>
<p>To: Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team: Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, Lee Grady, Steve Strang, Ché Ahn, Jeff Beacham, David Cannistraci, Joseph Askins, Bill Johnson, John Arnott</p>
<p>From:          C. Peter Wagner</p>
<p>Date:            June 25, 2008</p>
<p>Subject:       Personal Report of Lakeland Outpouring</p>
<p>As all of you know, what I believe to be God-orchestrated circumstances over the past three weeks or so have brought me mainstream into the Lakeland Outpouring and the controversies surrounding it.</p>
<p>I am writing this from Lakeland. The night before last Doris and I attended the meeting in the tent along with 10,000 others, the largest crowd yet since meeting in the tent. It was the 82nd day of the Outpouring. Todd Bentley used his speaking time in giving the most detailed testimony so far of the “dark night of the soul” that he experienced for 18 months 2005-2007. It was a very remarkable and transparent confession of his pride during the ten years previously and details of the wilderness that God took him through to break the pride. He was very clear about his lack of discipline, his emotions out of control, his rejection of God, his dislike of reading scripture, public meltdown on the platform, memories of childhood rejection, loneliness, sexual abuse, his marriage on the brink of divorce, etc. He was so burnt out he cried 4 hours per day for 21 days straight.</p>
<p>When it was over, God restored everything related to his staff, his marriage, his ministry, and his newly-refined personal character. This was a very remarkable and touching presentation. There was no hint of victimization or wanting a pity party. It was a confession of his own sin and the consequences he paid for disobedience. Doris and I were very touched by this, and we were thankful to God for a window on Todd’s character that we didn’t expect to be so wide open to us</p>
<p>Let me remind you that Doris and I have been very close to other similar outpourings, especially the John Wimber signs &amp; wonders phenomenon of the late 70s and 80s and well as the Argentine Revival of the 80s and 90s. We believe we have paid our dues in terms of the ability to discern truth from error and also in receiving severe and often painful criticism for some of the judgments we made in supporting those two movements. As we observed and participated in the meeting in the tent, we became very nostalgic about Wimber and Argentina, even noting some physical resemblance between Todd and Wimber. His accuracy in words of knowledge reminded us of both John Wimber in the past and Robert Henderson in the present. The worship time was similar to the worship we experience in Freedom Church in Colorado Springs except on a larger and more exuberant scale. We saw or felt nothing that would cross the lines we have previously experienced in high-profile revival. We have learned that God-driven revival is often messy, tending to pull some out of their religious comfort zones, but at the same time opening gates for new seasons of the movement of God.</p>
<p>All this was in preparation for last night, June 23, when we held a ceremony of apostolic alignment for Todd Bentley. As you will see from the document I will attach, the gist was that Todd would be aligned with Ché Ahn, Bill Johnson and John Arnott, representing Revival Alliance, who would then commission him as the evangelist to lead the Lakeland Outpouring. A few of us met with Todd personally before the service, and we found him to be a wonderful individual. Doris and I had never met him before. I explained to him what the ceremony would be like, and he agreed. I thought that it was interesting when he wanted to change one thing I had written in this document, because I could then run a quiet test of his humility and his respect for authority. Keep in mind that this was Todd’s ministry and Todd’s meeting. However, he had delegated the leadership of the ceremony to me. I suggested that his change was not wise, and he immediately accepted my decision. We were on the same page! In fact, we like each other!</p>
<p>The scenario was that I took the podium and called around me Todd, Ché, Bill and John. I then called to the platform a number of apostles whom I had chosen to stand behind us: Stephen Strader of Lakeland FL, Karl Strader of Lakeland FL, Jeff Beacham of Sydney, Australia, Rick Joyner of Ft. Mill SC, Doris Wagner of Colorado Springs CO, Sharon Stone of Burton, England, Paco Garcia of Chiclana, Spain, Clarice Fluitt of Monroe LA, Richard Maiden of Scottsdale AZ, Michael Maiden of Phoenix AZ, Joshua Fowler of Orlando FL, Barry Boucher of Ottawa, Canada, and Wesley Campbell of Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada. Unfortunately Bishop Bill Hamon had to cancel because of a travel problem. I then read the paper I am attaching and, despite several requests, I even desisted from telling a joke! When I finished, I handed the microphone to Ché and he was in charge.</p>
<p>Ché, Bill and John laid on hands and anointed Todd with a special new “Be Revived” oil that Chuck Pierce (who was in Africa) sent for the event. Todd went down under the power of the Spirit and the three prophesied over him, commissioning him as the evangelist to lead the Lakeland Outpouring. Then most of the backup apostles prayed and prophesied as well. The power of the Holy Spirit was so heavy on that event that you could almost have cut it with a knife!</p>
<p>It was quite evident to those present that this was a groundbreaking event. A serious public problem had been growing in the body of Christ revolving around concerns about Lakeland from respected leaders. Even “schism” had been mentioned frequently. Because of the extensive media coverage through GOD TV, it was much more than a private or a trivial matter. Something was called for to set things in order, and this is the stated role of apostles. We are now in a place in what I see as the Second Apostolic Age that apostles can agree publicly to bring alignment. The seventeen apostles involved in this event represented three distinct apostolic streams: ICA (10 were ICA members), Revival Alliance, and Morningstar. Even though we are not networked formally, we believe in and support each other and we stand together when a crisis such as this one comes along. I may be wrong, but I cannot recall an event of this nature in the recent history of the church.</p>
<p>There was a notable prophetic dimension accompanying the event. Around a month ago, Bob Jones prophesied that on June 22 the outpouring would increase so much that it would appear that the revival would really begin at that time. Of course no one knew that June 23, the day after June 22, would be the date of Todd’s apostolic alignment which could well be the event to release increased spiritual power. Parenthetically both June 22 and June 23 broke previous attendance records in the 10,000-seat tent.</p>
<p>There is a great deal more to say, but I will leave it as it is for the moment. My paper, “Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Alignment,” which I am sending you will fill in many details. Although I am writing this primarily to you who are mentioned above, I will also send it to some others to whom I feel responsible for a report of Todd’s alignment and commissioning.</p>
<p>Blessings,</p>
<p>Peter</p>
<p>C. Peter Wagner</p>
<p>President, Global Harvest Ministries</p>
<p>Chancellor, Wagner Leadership Institute</p>
<p>CPW/jmc</p>
<p>P.S. on June 25. Last night was Todd’s day off, so Ché Ahn took the service. Among other things, he used Chuck Pierce’s “Be Revived” anointing oil to personally anoint the 1,000 or so pastors as “carriers of fire” to their churches. Forty-seven nations were represented in the meeting. He admonished them to receive it here in Lakeland and then give it away!</p>
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A Personal Note 
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in Africa Regarding Revival!







Dear Friends,
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<p style="text-align:left;"><strong><em><span style="font-size:24pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">A Personal Note </span></span></em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><strong><em><span style="font-size:24pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">from Chuck Pierce </span></span></em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><strong><em><span style="font-size:24pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">in Africa Regarding Revival!</span></span></em></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Dear Friends,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">We have had several people write with great concerns about the current move of God that has been stirring in Lakeland, Atlanta, Dallas and other areas of our nation. Let me share some things with you. I actually believe this letter would be worth reading as you continue praying for us in Africa. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">We have made our way into Northern Nigeria. Continue to pray for us. Life here is what you may have imagined in Africa: tin roofs, raining, hazy mountains in the distance and bugs buzzing. When we got five miles from the Compound in the rural area of Kafanchan at the Throne Room Trust Ministry, International Prayer Village, you could feel the tangible Presence of His Spirit.  I love being here, even though the surroundings are not what I am normally accustomed to; the food is different, and well, yes, there are many different creatures.  The main issue is this: in the midst of this environment, I am not afraid of being infected by malaria or getting dysentery because I am in a different land. The people here are some of the most gracious in all the world.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#800080;">I see that some individuals view “moves of God” this way: they see all the dangers, they are afraid that they will have a demon transferred to them, they analyze every move and shake and scrutinize doctrinally everything that is happening. </span>This may be the only way that some can process their relationship with the Lord and the Body of Christ. I know that many would not like to be here in northern Nigeria in this rural area, nor would they like to be wearing the kingly, African traditional clothing that I am wearing this evening. Some of us are more adventurous than others. Some need to fully test the water before they swim. Personally, I have found that there is great joy in watching God’s people express themselves, work through their issues, learn to discern both good and evil and continually mature in Him. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">I was just in Zambia. We saw a great reconciliation of the nation and people with the ex-President. This man had a great reproach from his terms in office. However, God in His grace chose to bring him forth, humble him and forgive him, and use him to change a nation. From a political standpoint, many would have wished he would have stayed estranged from the Body. However, I chose to go with the Spirit of God above political party divisions and reconcile him back into God’s Kingdom plan. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">We at Glory of Zion International have chosen to number ourselves in intercession with what is happening in Lakeland and other places throughout the world. Some have written asking me to reject Todd Bentley. GZI does not have a philosophy or mindset to reject anyone. We watch, pray, and then try to communicate what the Lord is saying to help the overall Body of Christ advance. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">I have seen others get offended because key leaders commissioned Todd as a modern day evangelist. We at GZI have no problems with this. Please know that we are living in an age where the Apostolic gift in the Body has come into a new position and era of authority. I was very excited to read Peter Wagner’s report (you may go to our web site to read this) on the commissioning service in Lakeland. I admire Ché Ahn, Bill Johnson, and John Arnott. I can now rest in Him, knowing that if things get way out of sync, they can help Todd make adjustments so the Spirit can keep moving. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">We will continue to pray that the Lord raise Evangelists all over the world who can reach the harvest fields today. Yes, they may look different than Billy Graham, and they may have experienced some unusual happenings that perhaps will be better communicated as they grow in the Lord. But overall they are stirring the Body of Christ, leading people to the Lord, and doing the works of Jesus. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Let me share with you a personal experience. When Pam and I were in the Baptist Church in the early ’80’s, we were in a “move of God.” The Fullness Movement had touched the Baptist Church in the late ’70s, led by Jim Hylton, Ras Robinson, Jack Taylor and others. We had had some incredible meetings at our church. Many had gotten saved, gotten right with the Lord and filled with the Spirit of God. I loved this time. Pam and I both reminisce over it and call it “the Glory Days”. Then James Robison had his annual meeting and invited John Wimber to minister. Many of you remember our story of Pam’s barrenness. You can read about it in two or three of the books that we have written. We were told by all of our leadership how this “move” had gotten way out of hand, and now that John Wimber (who had no Baptist roots), was invading James Robison’s meeting, we should all stay away from these gatherings. (You should know that John Wimber and Peter Wagner helped revive signs and wonders in the ’80s.) Well, I heard God very clearly tell Pam and me to go in January, 1984 to the James Robison meeting where John Wimber was speaking. While we were there, the Spirit of God fell on my wife and sovereignly filled her. His power knocked the clots out of her uterus and He dramatically healed her. When the Spirit of God fell on Pam she said, “You were right! There are demons everywhere, but I AM HEALED!”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">This was not about John Wimber. This was not about Baptists. This was not about controversy. This test was ours! The situation was about us following God without fear so He could reward us with an incredible blessing. Pam became pregnant two weeks later and continued to be pregnant for the next 10 years of our life. We had six wonderful children. I’m so thankful I listened to the Spirit of God and did not let religious fear rule us. There were others with us that were not touched at all by the meetings. As a matter of fact, they did not appreciate at all the way John Wimber ministered. However, in the midst of his ministry, the Spirit of God ministered to us and changed the course of our lives. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">I am honored that God brought me into alignment with Peter and Doris Wagner after I embraced the move of God that had been stirred by he and John Wimber. We have now been together for 17 years. During that time, I have continued to get the best God has to offer from the revivals in Argentina, Toronto, the “Laughter Movement”, Brownsville, and any other fresh breath of wind that blows. I have many friends who have great cautions over experiential manifestations and extra-Biblical sensational happenings. I heed those friends’ voices and listen carefully. This does not keep me from experiencing what God is doing. I love what Bishop Bill Hamon says, “Eat the meat and spit out the bones and you will find yourself nourished.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Recently, I have been pondering the first several verses of Genesis. In the midst of a wreck and ruined, chaotic, without-form earth, the Spirit of God began to hover. Once the Spirit began to hover, God could speak into the earth realm and pull forth creativity. He did this for six straight days. But notice God’s order: He didn’t try and set in order the sixth day before the first day. He didn’t try to place the fourth day before the second day. Little by little, as the Spirit hovered, order came and man was offered a new position as a result. That is how I view every move of God. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">What I would encourage you to do is to keep discerning by the Word and the Spirit, but to be open to see the Lord move in a new way. The disciples could not understand why the Lord would go to Samaria and visit with the woman at the well. However, because of His love and boldness to break a religious standard, a whole city was saved (John 4). The Lord is preparing to save entire cities today.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Thank God that Jesus talked to this woman &#8211; a person with a past, a Samaritan, and a woman. He was not afraid of His reputation being marred. Recently, a letter from one of the major Bible churches in Denton went out to leaders in our city on the doctrine of women and how they should have a subservient role in the Body of Christ in public ministry. Prior to this letter going out, I had invited Cindy Jacobs to minister at Glory of Zion on Sunday, July 6. I want you to know that I have been a champion for women ministers throughout the years. I am so very excited to have Cindy with us on July 6th because women are welcome to minister in Denton, Texas. I would never shut the door of ministry for her to come into this city because of man’s opinion. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Neither would I, Robert Heidler or any leader that is aligned with me, shut the door to Keith Miller or Todd Bentley to come to Denton to minister what the Spirit of God is doing in their lives. We consider it a privilege that God has opened the gate for Spirit-led ministry to come into Denton. We are glad that He “needs” to come to Denton just like He “needed” to go to Samaria. You are always welcome to come to Denton. As a matter of fact, you might “need” to come here to gain your next release from the Lord. You can go to Keith Miller’s meeting. You can come to our Firstfruits Gathering. You can come be with Cindy Jacobs on Sunday, July 6. You can come to Tuesday Morning Prayer. You are invited to come any time and you will not be rejected as you come into this city.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Keep praying for us. We will be home on Tuesday.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Blessings, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18pt;">Chuck D. Pierce</span></p>
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<p>On June 23, 2008, Todd Bentley was commissioned by apostolic group, Revival Alliance, and brought into formal affiliation with this group.  Revival Alliance is an organization of revival leaders that includes Bill and Beni Johnson, Che and Sue Ahn, John and Carol Arnott, Georgian and Winnie Bannov, Randy and Deanne Clark and Roland and Heidi Baker.  The video below is the first of four on You Tube showing the entire ceremony.  Click on the video, go to You Tube and watch them all.  C. Peter Wagner, head of Global Harvest, presided.</p>
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<div style="font-size:10px;">more about &#8220;<a href="http://vodpod.com/watch/835371-todd-bentleys-apostolic-and-prophetic-commissioning-14">Todd Bentley&#8217;s Apostolic and Propheti&#8230;</a>&#8220;, posted with <a href="http://vodpod.com/wordpress">vodpod</a></div>
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<p>Bill Johnson explained the motives and discussion that lead up to this event in is his sermon Sunday, June 22, at Bethel Church in Redding, CA.  The sermon is available <a title="The Loyalty of Bethel" href="http://www.ibethel.org/features/sermonoftheweekvideo/" target="_blank">here</a> at the Bethel website as a video for the next few days and is entitled, <em>The Loyalty of Bethel. </em>It is also available on their podcast.</p>
<p>Revival Alliance is the result of a prophetic word that Bob Jones gave to Heidi Baker regarding an alliance of 12 revival leaders.  Heidi contacted those Bob saw in the vision and Revival Alliance was born.  The leaders of Revival Alliance is determined to give themselves away for the benefit of others.  The goal of this group is to stand together, explore together, and stay accountable together; basically to live and die for each other.</p>
<p>In the original vision, Todd Bentley&#8217;s ministry was part of the alliance, but Bob said that at that time it was not the time yet to include Todd.  When Bill Johnson asked Bob Jones if now was the time, Bob said, &#8220;It&#8217;s time because of his enemies.&#8221;  Because of who is opposing Todd, it is important for them to rally around him.</p>
<p>Pastor Johnson makes it clear in his sermon that for him, when a man of God is being shot at, that is where he wants to be to stand with them.  He wants to throw his hat in the ring with people who are making a mess of the kingdom of darkness.  It is not the time to jump ship when someone is facing a hard time.  That is when you rally around them and give the enemy multiple targets to shoot at.</p>
<p>Xtreme Encounters has been an Overflow Room for the Florida Outpouring since April 21.  We have made a decision that, although we are a small ministry, we will stand with Fresh Fire Ministries and see this thing through.  We want to see the good fruit that we see (people have been healed and saved in our ministry as a result of the encouragement we have received from the Outpouring) spread, not just in Lakeland, not just in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where we are, but all over the world.</p>
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This is a video of Heather Clark&#8217;s warfare dance at the Lakeland Outpouring on June 2, 2008, I believe it was.  I cannot believe the uproar I have seen in the blogosphere and on You Tube over this.  For the record, I believe it is an awesome piece of prophetic worship.  Heather [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=rahabsplace.wordpress.com&blog=1423129&post=106&subd=rahabsplace&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>This is a video of Heather Clark&#8217;s warfare dance at the Lakeland Outpouring on June 2, 2008, I believe it was.  I cannot believe the uproar I have seen in the blogosphere and on You Tube over this.  For the record, I believe it is an awesome piece of prophetic worship.  Heather just released a new album of live worship from the Outpouring and you can find it <a title="Heather Clark's site" href="http://heatherclarkband.com" target="_blank">here</a> (it&#8217;s really good!)</p>
<p>Heather has offered an explanation of the meaning behind the dance for those who do not understand prophetic worship:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#993366;">The fact is I left the key board with the single intent of just dancing before the Lord. I was on the STAGE cause I was leading worship. And as a matter of a fact I was wishing that the camera was not on me. At first I was trying to move around back and forth so that they couldn’t catch me. As I danced I felt in my heart a call to the body of Christ to rise up as the army of God and take hold of the promise land that is ours, standing against every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of Christ.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">So let’s break this down for a moment. I will watch on the video and go through. First part, dancing energetically around the stage, stomping and spinning. Here is my response to that<br />
There are some scriptures that use the word “rejoice” (gul) that have the meaning &#8211; TO SPIN AROUND UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ANY VIOLENT EMOTION, USUALLY REJOICE OR FEAR, be glad, joy, to go around in a circle.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">Psalm 9:14, “I will rejoice in Your salvation.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">Psalm 13:5 “But I have trusted in Your mercy; My heart shall rejoice in Your salvation.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">Psalm 16:9 “Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices; my flesh also will rest in hope.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">Psalm 21:1, 31:7, 32:11, 35:9, plus 35 more references.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 2 GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH MY HEAD DOWN. I have heard some complain that my head was down… that’s cause I didn’t actually want to be seen. I would have done the same dance before the Lord if I was at the back of the church. I felt an intercession and a warfare type dance forming in me.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 3: FEW ROBOTIC MOVES AND THEN SOME ARM SWINGING. This was was 2 things. um, well one I was catching my breath and trying to just wait on the Lord if I should go into what I was feeling which was to call the body to war. At THIS POINT, teh dance went from being me before the Lord to me before the people because there was a “message” to it. In order to receive that message, the people had to see it. The second thing was me transitioning into the prophetic part. A picture was coming to me of like being in a battle field.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 4: Robotic moves. I am a modern dancer and so for me those types of movements are very militant and “strong”. They require a lot physically and in my mind I am thinking of the armor of God, blocking the arrows of the enemy, shield of faith.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 5: Around 2:05. I do some grabbing motions. In my mind I am praying and speaking to the enemy with motions saying “give that back. That’s mine” There are places where the enemy has come like a lion seeking whom he may devour and there are things in our lives that have been robbed. As the body it’s time to take them back.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 6: Up to about 2:19 this is if you are watching the same youtube as me…I am doing some more grabbing. Very strong violent type motions. I am thinking “The Kingdom of God suffers violence and violent take it by force!”</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 7: About 2:39. I hit my own wrists and then open my hands. I am praying for the chains to come off the body of Christ that they would be set free.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 8: from there i go into pulling motions again. I am pulling back that which the enemy has stollen and sometimes that’s a hard fight so I am doing it with tension in my arms.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 9: more robotic stuff, hide my head. i am thinking that when we fight we need to not only be offensive but defensive and remember the armor of God. The helmet of Salvation to protect our minds. I am doing shielding motions.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">PART 10: I walk away and mean to end… you can believe this or not but when I turned around and put my hands together I THOUGHT I was going to do one more pulling motion and my hands came together in the shape of a gun and I felt the Lord “blessed be the Lord my God who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle!” Maybe if it would have been a sword motion it may have been less offensive. It was a modern way of saying/praying that the enemy will be taken down as we use the “sword” of the spirit (only I used a gun but meant the same thing)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">I know my eyes look very intense but like I have said before I wasn’t out picking flowers. I felt like I was in a mime type word for the body of Christ saying we are in a very intense battle of light and dark. It IS a battle zone out there and we must be aware of the enemy’s schemes. I felt like I was “hunting” out the places where the enemy tries to hide and firing against them.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">I meant it completely symbolically. I didn’t think I was shooting people. I didn’t “see” any demons. I didn’t even think that the motion was specifically pegging off some spirit. I just meant it like &#8211; this is the posture that we should have. To be aware of the enemy.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">Then I go crazy and it’s like the victory after a war.. “the horse and rider thrown into the sea!” It was a celebration of our victory in Christ.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">So sure, I’ll give you this… it’s not like your regular church dance. I am sorry that it offended you. I think with a little explanation it could have been better received by some of you. The bible says that when we speak in tongues in public there should be interpretation so that the body can be edified. Art can sometimes be like that. It’s a language that not everyone understands and with interpretation it can edify and without it… well you see the results.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">I could have toned it down a bit and got the same message across and I will be more aware of this in the future.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">And about it being on the stage and drawing attention… if someone had a prophetic word they would not stand in a room of 1000 people and whisper it. They would go to the mic and speak it loud so all could hear. If the word is visual, it would need to be seen.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">My heart is never to draw attention to myself and off the Lord but my heart is to call the body to a place of greater awareness.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#993366;">As for my doctrine and beliefs they are on my website for anyone to read. Do i agree with everything that people believe that I minister with? no. Not the pentecostals, the baptists, the methodists, the vineyard, the renewal churches…. we’re not going to find anywhere someone/something that we completely agree with. I think that Lakeland consists of very hungry people, desperate for God, seeking a touch a miracle a healing. They seem to be finding that in Lakeland.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>I, for one, would hate to see you &#8220;tone it down.&#8221;  It was great and there was a tremendous anointing in it.  Rarely have I seen so many religious spirits manifest through one four minute dance.  Heather has been called every name in the book on the internet over this.  Thanks, guys, nothing like a little hatred to make the world just want to flock to the church.</p>
<p>Again, her response on another site:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#993366;">Well, everyone…. Thanks for your thoughts. It’s interesting to listen to everyone sit on the seat of judgement yet NOT ONE of you has emailed me, contacted me, asked me a single question about the dance. Thanks for jumping to conclusions though!</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Many people feel justified in what they are doing because they are contending for the faith or contending for doctrinal purity.  But scripture is clear about some things.  Jesus said, <span style="color:#008000;">&#8220;If your brother sins AGAINST YOU, go and show him his fault, JUST BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU.&#8221; (See Matt 18:15-17)</span>. Paul said in Gal 6:1, <span style="color:#008000;">&#8220;If someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently.&#8221;</span></p>
<p>When Peter was in error and promoting false doctrine in the Galatian Church, Paul confronted him.  He did not write letters about him to the apostles in Jerusalem, he did not publish his discernment of Peter&#8217;s doctrinal error abroad.  He got in Peter&#8217;s face and solved the problem.  He wrote about it after the fact that others might learn.</p>
<p>When there was a contention over Paul&#8217;s preaching to the Gentiles, which many Jewish believers believed to have been heresy, the Council at Jerusalem had a meeting with Paul and asked him to explain himself.  They did not write to all the churches about Paul before they had spoken with him.</p>
<p>James writes about wisdom.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#008000;">J</span><span style="color:#008000;">ames 3:13-18</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#008000;"> <span class="sup">13</span>Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. <span class="sup">14</span>But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. <span class="sup">15</span>Such &#8220;wisdom&#8221; does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. <span class="sup">16</span>For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#008000;"> <span class="sup">17</span>But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. <span class="sup">18</span>Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Think about what you have seen on the Internet.  Think of the tone some of it has taken.  What kind of wisdom is it demonstrating?</p>
<p>There is no license in scripture for the current Jump Shout Boogie &#8211; Jump to conclusions, Shout at the brethren and Boogie all over the Internet to share your &#8220;discernment.&#8221;  The Body of Christ can do much better than this.</p>
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The video is of Jeff Lewis conducting Power Evangelism Training at Ignited Church.  Jeff is the guy doing the street evangelism at the Florida Outpouring.  Jeff leads City Taker Ministries and is a maniac for Jesus.
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<p>The video is of Jeff Lewis conducting Power Evangelism Training at Ignited Church.  Jeff is the guy doing the street evangelism at the Florida Outpouring.  Jeff leads <a href="http://citytaker.com" target="_blank">City Taker Ministries</a> and is a maniac for Jesus.</p>
<p>Jeff has trained 6,400 people so far in Power Evangelism.  He really, REALLY believes in the need to preach hell to people.  The Law brings with it the knowledge of sin necessary for true conviction and life-changing repentance.  The anemic gospel that much of the church has been preaching produces a true conversion rate of 10 &#8211; 15% (I personally think he&#8217;s being rather generous with those numbers) and produces anemic, carnal converts.</p>
<p>These guys are out on the streets six days a week in Lakeland.  They are committed to seeing the city touched.  The City Takers website has some really good training materials and materials to use in evangelism.  Their college campus survey is awesome!  The premise for the campus is to engage the student in the survey by offering them 5 bucks if they can name all ten of the commandments.  You can talk to a college student all day on that one!  They will bring ALL their friends to you (just make sure you bring lots of CASH for this one!)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a video of Jeff showing what practical ministry on the streets of Lakeland looks like.</p>
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<div style="font-size:10px;">more about &#8220;<a href="http://vodpod.com/watch/827621-citytaker-online-florida-outpouring-the-midas-touch-healing-testimony">CityTaker Online! || Florida Outpouri&#8230;</a>&#8220;, posted with <a href="http://vodpod.com/wordpress">vodpod</a></div>
<p>This is really good stuff.  If you have a desire to impact your city, go through the training on Jeff&#8217;s site, print up some surveys, grab some tracts and go for it!</p>
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