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Todd Bentley – Who’s Kid are You Bashing?

June 2, 2008
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Todd Bentley with his \I have really been struggling with the doctrine police and their treatment of Todd Bentley since the beginning of the outpouring in Florida. I am used to the doctrine police being rude, but the outright hatred I have seen expressed toward Todd Bentley by people who claim to be followers of Jesus – not just followers, but superior followers who’s superior knowledge of the word of God qualifies them to pass judgment on this movement, absolutely blows my mind.

People have gone out of their way to dig up Todd’s past – his before Jesus, unsaved past – and claim that his actions as a SINNER disqualify him from holding any type of ministry position. Never mind that Paul was a murderer. In their world, he wouldn’t be qualified for ministry either. For the record, Todd has always been honest about the fact that he has a horrendous past and managed to cram a lot of sin into his 17 years before he was apprehended by the Holy Spirit. That is part of the beauty of his testimony, that God would take such a foul sinner and transform him into a minister of the gospel of grace.

This is one of the things that is truly bothering me about the current onslaught from the doctrine police – their total lack of grace. They do not, by their accusations and words, leave any room in their theological world for the grace of God to transform a sinner into a saint. Or maybe there is no room in their theological world for the transformation of Todd Bentley.

Todd has built his ministry on the fact that God saved and transformed his life, and He will do the same for anyone. Maybe the problem with the doctrine police is that God never transformed their lives. Maybe they have never experienced the grace of the Lord or experienced His love. Maybe they are just like the Pharisee that said, “I thank you, God, that I am not like that foul publican over there,” not realizing they are in just as much need of the grace of God as Todd Bentley ever was.

I found a quote on a BeenUp2 site from Bill Johnson about Todd Bentley:

It is foolish to judge another mans experience by your own lack of experience. To critique a meal you’ve not eaten is another activity of the religious spirit. Todd is a personal friend, and more importantly a friend of God. He has an unusual passion for God, and gives Him first place in everything. God trusts him, and has entrusted him with this extraordinary move. God has heard the cries of the church in America for revival – He’s now seeing how bad we want it by putting it in a package that is different than we’re accustomed to. He’s found someone who is not embarrassed to talk about the unusual experiences that God gives. God will not contradict the Scriptures, but He will gladly contradict my understanding of Scripture.

Pastor Johnson says, “Todd is my friend, but more importantly, he is a friend of God.” Those are two very important statements. Todd Bentley is not a man out doing the Lone Ranger thing. He is in relationship with godly men and women who speak truth into his life. He has a board who hold him accountable. He has a leadership team who hold him accountable.

I think that is one of the things that sets this apart from the Voice of Healing movement of the ’40’s and ’50’s. Todd is in relationship with other parts of the five-fold ministry. He is working closely with a pastor in this outpouring. Stephen Strader is working on how to pastor what is going on. He is working on how to disciple the new converts and train them up in sound biblical principles. Todd is in relationship with more mature prophetic voices who give him feedback on his prophetic revelations.

The other thing Pastor Johnson said that was important was that Todd, “was a friend of God.” Todd isn’t just God’s friend. He is a child of the King, a son of the Most High. The problem with abusing a child is that eventually you will find yourself having to deal with the angry parent of that child. I would seriously consider that if I were you, Doctrine Police.

People have problems with the package that is Todd Bentley. They don’t like his tattoos. They say they are unbiblical. That particular prohibition was part of the Law. If you don’t want to uphold every part of the law, then don’t try to force Todd to follow that one scripture. They don’t like his theology. They don’t like his angels. They don’t like the way he prays. They don’t like the way he takes an offering at 11 pm after people have started leaving. Fine. DON’T WATCH HIM!

What I would ask the doctrine police is: What’s your motive? Why are you so hate filled in your denunciations of Todd? Why are you posting a zillion pages about what a horrible person he is without ever having met him? Many of you are posting these things without ever having even watched a broadcast of the Florida Outpouring.

Here are the motives that come through these posts like a halogen light.

  1. Jealousy – Todd’s ministry is world wide and he has seen well over a million souls saved. He is successful in ministry. Most of those who are bashing him on the net don’t even have a ministry in their local church. If they did, they wouldn’t have time to post their zillions of posts.
  2. A Religious Spirit – Many of those posting deny that the power of God and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are available to believers today. They hold to a form of godliness, a form that totally depends on their own ability to maintain it, thus giving them a basis for feeling superior, but they deny the power thereof. Paul says that the true church of Jesus Christ is to have nothing to do with such people.
  3. Hatred – The hatred for the person of Todd Bentley radiates in these posts. They don’t just disagree with him, they hate him. They would cheerfully burn him at the stake if they could.

I have another quote from Bill Johnson that totally illustrates the difference in the heart attitudes of the two groups.

Revival Critics – Neither Bob Jones nor Todd Bentley would get information about you and then repeat it. If they had dirt on you, they would never use a public forum to criticize you. Be careful, because “reaping and sowing” are still in effect. You will eat from the seeds you have planted. Pray you don’t get famous, because then it will be a BIG meal.

Don’t worry, Pastor Johnson, about the majority becoming famous. Most of these critics are only legends in their own minds.

28 Comments leave one →
  1. Dave permalink
    June 3, 2008 8:11 am

    We need to oppose any ‘religious’ spirit with an ‘opposite’ spirit less we make room for them ourselves. I think you highlight some peoples motives very clearly in this blog. Maybe more people that have been to the Outpouring need to be heard on the internet so come on lets have more feedback from those of you that have been there

  2. June 3, 2008 10:05 am

    I think that many critics are motivated by fear. They fear that if what Todd is doing is really from God that they somehow don’t match up and their pride cannot take that.

  3. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 3, 2008 11:34 am

    I would love to hear from more people who have actually been to the Outpouring. I have posted about my trip to Lakeland. Carl has posted on his blog about his trips to the revival. One thing Carl said that I thought was awesome was that the revival in Lakeland did him no good in his city if he didn’t go out and do the stuff there. So what are you guys doing with what you brought back?

  4. BWA permalink
    June 3, 2008 4:51 pm

    The people that are attacking Todd are exhibiting the same spirit that motivates the Taliban, extreme environmentalists, etc.
    I believe the true test for anyone who claims to be a Christian is found in the following verses:
    1 John 2:9-11 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness; he does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded him.
    There is a good chance that the people that are spewing this hate are not really born again but have been deceived by the enemy. There is no one nastier than a person that feels that it is his duty to protect his religious “turf”. Usually this self protection comes out of a fear that their little construct could “unravel” if they have to accept something that they don’t understand. Perfect love casts out all fear and when a person truly experiences God’s amazing love those fears have to go.
    May these people experience God’s love and get free of this fear.

  5. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 3, 2008 5:40 pm

    Amen, BWA!

  6. Melissa permalink
    June 3, 2008 9:05 pm

    Thanks for your thoughts. I understand where you are coming from. However, I have a couple of questions:
    1)According to the Apostle Paul, can a true prophet control his own spirit? I Cor. 14:32
    2)According to the Apostle Paul, what kind of person goes into great detail about what he has seen? What kind of mind does he have, spiritual or unspiritual? Colossians 2:18-19
    3)According to Isaiah, how can we test a prophet? Isa. 8:20
    4)Are we to judge those in the church, according to Paul? I Cor. 5:12-13
    5)When a prophet speaks, are we to judge his words, according to Paul? I Cor. 14:29
    6)Did Paul teach us to believe our experiences, or test all things?I Thess. 5:21-22
    7)What precedes the strong delusion God sends on those who do not love the truth? Is it power, signs, and wonders? 2 Thess. 2:9-12
    8)What is the ninth fruit of the Holy Spirit? Galatians 5:22-23
    9)According to the Apostle Paul, is drunkeness a work of the Spirit, or a work of the flesh? Gal. 5:19-20
    please write to me at if you wnat to talk. God bless you.

  7. June 4, 2008 3:15 am

    Staying Within the Confines of the Word of God

    God has left us His Word and His Spirit to give us direction for our lives. Our lives are to be governed by the Word of God with the help of the Holy Spirit. (Psalm 119:105, John 16:13, Romans 8:14) When we go outside of the parameters of the Word of God we open the door to demonic deception. (Ephesians 4:27)

    There are 3 doctrines being taught in the church today that in my opinion are very harmful because they open the door to demonic power to manifest in the church. The first one is that if you are a prophet you can prophesy to anyone you want at will because you are a prophet. This doctrine violates the Word of God. The Word of God says in 1 Corinthians 12:11 the gifts of the Spirit operate as God wills, not as we will. 2 Peter 1:21 says that prophecy never comes by the will of man. Ironically if you get into verse one of chapter two he begins to warn the church about false prophets. When a person operates the gifts of the Spirit by his own will he opens the door to familiar spirits that are demonic to give him information. That person now becomes a Christian medium for demonic power. Even Jesus could not operate the gifts of the Spirit as He willed because He was operating as the son of man on the earth. He had put His mighty power and glory to the side and had to be anointed to function for God. (John 5:19, 20, 30, Philippians 2:7 TLB, Acts 10:38)

    The second doctrine that I also see that is damaging to the church is the doctrine of seeking angelic visitations and asking God to give you visions. No where in scripture do we see this. There is no biblical basis for this. The Bible says we walk by faith and not by sight. (2 Corinthians 5:7) Again seeing into the spirit realm is done thru the gift of discerning of spirits which is one of the 9 gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12. Again like prophecy this gift operates as the spirit wills. When you go outside of the Word of God you open yourself up for demonic deception and you will begin to have visions of angels and Jesus but it will be devils that transform themselves as angels of light to deceive people.(2 Corinthians 11:12-15)

    Colossians2:18-19(The Message Translation)Don’t tolerate people who try to run your life, ordering you to bow and scrape, insisting that you join their obsession with angels and that you seek out visions. They’re a lot of hot air, that’s all they are. They’re completely out of touch with the source of life, Christ, who puts us together in one piece, whose very breath and blood flow through us. He is the Head and we are the body. We can grow up healthy in God

    The third doctrine that is damaging to the body of Christ is that you can go to Heaven and visit any time you want to. They use Hebrews 4:16, Ephesians 2:6 these doctrines are doctrines of devils devised in these last days to cause people to fall away. (1Timothy 4:1-2, 2 Timothy 4:1-5) When you start visualizing and doing some of the new age stuff they are teaching about this you will have supernatural experiences but they won’t be from Jehovah God but from the god of this world the devil.

    Hebrews 5:14 tells us that thru the use of the meat of the Word of God we train our senses to discern both good and evil. Let us judge things by the Word of God and the inward witness of the Holy Ghost.(1 Thessalonians 5:20-21, John 16:13, Romans 8:14,16, 1 John 4:1)

  8. Dan Curant permalink
    June 4, 2008 6:05 am

    We watch Lakeland on GodTV every night. Like
    the four lepers, people who are leaving a
    starving church to touch the abundance of God
    should be excused for some excessive enthusiasm.

    Thanks for being a place on the Internet that
    brings some balance. The rain has brought
    the snakes out of their holes, that’s for

  9. thegreycoats permalink
    June 4, 2008 9:30 am

    i am one of your so called doctrine police. in fact i would wager that my site is one of the sites you are talking about. being as this is my first time reading your blog i would like to extend a warm greeting. may peace be with you in Christ our Lord. just a couple of things i would like to adress here. 1st while it makes me sad to read how evil you think us to be i do believe that your motive guessing would cause you to fall into the same catagories you chastise the doctrine police. in fact doctrine police hurts my feeling as i am sure charasmaniac would hurt yours. please allow me to correct your assumtions. quite alot of the doctrine police are not cessationiost. sorry you feel that way but you are in error. many of us are actually continuationist who practice and believe in the gifts of the Spirit. however even if we didnt not believing in the gifts of the spirit does not put one in the catagory of religious spirit. your second assertion is very off the mark. pharisees suffered first from false doctrine and second from false practice. they had empty religion but no heart. do you know the hearts of men? i think not. nor do i. that is why i limit myself to a critique of what they teach to inform me of there fruit. guessing at motives is real judgment not analyzing doctrine. now i can only speak for myself here but i am a pastor and a father. i also keep a fulltime job yet i find time to post online for the sake of my bretheren. now if you mis shoot one how many do you think you have misjudged.4th i dont hate bob jones or todd bentley. i hate what they teach and how they repeatedly speak of the third heaven which is a place expressly forbidden in the scripture for man to talk about. i hope they repent and instruct the people in truth and in spirit if indeed they can. make no mistake i do not believe these men are of God and i fear for their souls. this is my conviction based upon my observation of these mens ministries. however i agree the post conversion past of bently should be a non issue. what a man was before christ matters not and all would do well to remember that. for the record my motive springs up from the legion of people i know and have met who have been hurt by prophecy that has gone wrong. doctrines that are untrue and experiences promised that never came. many have had their faith shipwrecked by the 3rd wave. many who have loved Christ have been ostracized and looked down on by this proud movement to the point of feeling like second class citizens in the kingdom of heaven all because they are weary of this new thing. i have seen churches split assunder by this movement in the prophetic and it grieves my heart as well as our Lords. real prophets dont get it wrong. real prophets dont misuse their gifts like jones did. i have considered whether or not i am wrong about this. i have prayed and studied, wept and watched my wife weep over the damage done to many that gets swept under the rug of the new thing. have you. i know we doctrine police arent supposed to have hearts but that is just what your prophets tell you about all us old order brethren. shame on them for that. i know my site can get a bit riled from time to time. i also know that it is hard to read post from people who just accuse but will not engage in real debate over the truth. i am not afraid, i do not hate these men, all i have said i would say to thier faces. although i think you will agree i have not said anything out of order. i hope this helps you see into our hearts abit more. Grace and peace to you.

  10. Burt Potter permalink
    June 4, 2008 9:37 am


    A rebuttal very well presented! I am critical
    of the authenticity of Mr. Bentley but it is
    not because of his unorthodox style. I am just
    much more inclined to be on guard against apostasy
    and counterfeits as we draw closer to the end
    of times and the soon return of Christ. There
    is ample evidence regarding Mr. Bentleys’ past
    visions and his source for revelation to warrant
    critical inspection.

    God bless you all

  11. M.Noble permalink
    June 4, 2008 12:05 pm

    I have been reading about Mr. Bentley and his ministry, as well as many accounts of people, Believer and non-Believer alike, and I have come to a God given conclusion, that it is not a ministry professing God and Christ as a saviour. The bible even teaches that many false prophets will come in the end days, and many people that have come away from Bentley’s sessions, seem to be more possessed then actually filled with the Holy Spirit. Perhaps, everyone needs to do more research and their own conclusions. I know I’ll be continuing research on this man and his so-called “revival”.

  12. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 4, 2008 5:23 pm


    1)According to the Apostle Paul, can a true prophet control his own spirit? I Cor. 14:32

    Yes, a prophet can control his spirit. However, when humans encounter the power of angels, they tend to not be able to control themselves. When Gabriel approached Daniel, Daniel was terrified, fell prostrate and went into a deep sleep (Dan 8:17-18). This is not unlike what has occurred in meetings in Lakeland, Toronto and Pensacola.

    When the Spirit of the Lord came upon Saul when he encountered the prophets in 1 Samuel, he began to prophesy and joined in their celebration. When the Spirit of the Lord came upon him in power at Ramah in 1 Sam 19, he walked along prophesying, then he stripped off all his garments and lay naked all that day and all that night. People asked, “Is Saul also among the prophets?” It would appear that the presence of the Holy Spirit produces an even more pronounced affect on people. By the way, prophesying in the Old Testament consisted of singing, dancing and uttering ecstatic utterances.

    2)According to the Apostle Paul, what kind of person goes into great detail about what he has seen? What kind of mind does he have, spiritual or unspiritual? Colossians 2:18-19

    Those who have false humility have an unspiritual mind. But by your criteria, Jesus, Paul and John would be unspiritual because they all three went into great detail about what they saw in heaven. John in particular told of his interactions with angels.

    The context of the scripture you lifted has to do with people who are pretending to be spiritual by what they eat and drink and what festivals they celebrate.

    3)According to Isaiah, how can we test a prophet? Isa. 8:20

    A true prophet holds to the word of God. Todd Bentley can quote you chapter and verse in context from scripture on why he believes what he believes as doctrine.

    Paul says in 1 Cor 14:29 – 31 gives the NT standards for judging NT prophets. The utterances of a prophet are to be judged by other prophets. Now, whether you like them or not, Todd regularly interacts with people who are considered to be prophets and has submitted his words for their judgment. Patricia King and Bob Jones are people he is in regular contact with. He also has relationship with Bill Johnson, who speaks as a pastor into his life.

    4)Are we to judge those in the church, according to Paul? I Cor. 5:12-13

    Yes,we are. But prophets are to be judged by other prophets. I Cor 14:29-31

    5)When a prophet speaks, are we to judge his words, according to Paul? I Cor. 14:29

    Yes, those with recognized prophetic office are to judge his words.

    6)Did Paul teach us to believe our experiences, or test all things?I Thess. 5:21-22

    We test all things by scripture. Only scripture is given for doctrine. Todd can give you scripture for his doctrine.

    Experiences are just that. There is no where in scripture where it describes what happens in detail when a person is born again, as far as what you feel and what to expect. That is something that has to be experienced to be understood. The same is true in how to operate in spiritual gifts. There is nowhere in the word that explains the mechanics of how those gifts operate. It is something you have to experience to understand.

    7)What precedes the strong delusion God sends on those who do not love the truth? Is it power, signs, and wonders? 2 Thess. 2:9-12

    The power of lawlessness does not lead people to salvation in Jesus Christ. Todd Bentley has led over a million people to the Lord.

    The context of your scripture has to do with the man of sin whom the return of Jesus will overthrow. This is not applicable to a saint of God who loves the Lord.

    The true message of the gospel, according to the Apostle Paul is: “My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on the Spirit’s power.” (1 Cor 2:4-5).

    True deception comes from those who only want faith to rest in human reasoning and not in the demonstration of the Spirit’s power. There is a way that seems right to a man, but it only leads to death. Human reasoning is not the way of life and peace that is given in the scriptures. Paul commands us to not be drunk with wine, but to be filled with the Spirit. And sometimes that filling makes us look like drunkards. (See Acts 2.)

    8)What is the ninth fruit of the Holy Spirit? Galatians 5:22-23

    Self-control. Which is necessary to be able to walk in the power of God. God could not trust James and John with his unlimited power until after they were filled with his Spirit because they wanted to call fire down. After that, they did great signs and wonders because they were under the control of the Holy Spirit.

    9)According to the Apostle Paul, is drunkeness a work of the Spirit, or a work of the flesh? Gal. 5:19-20

    Drunkenness is a work of the flesh. That is why he said to not be drunk with wine but be filled with the Spirit. Of course, it is hard to tell the difference as the crowd in Acts 2 found out.

    Thanks for the bible study, but rather than trying to entrap people with your limited knowledge of the scriptures, try getting baptized in the Holy Spirit and letting him guide you through them. The power of God is an amazing thing and I would encourage all those who don’t know it, who have never seen a broken arm healed when you pray, to seek God for what He has freely made available to us.

  13. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 4, 2008 6:17 pm

    Grey Coats,

    No, actually I wasn’t bashing your site. Other than the loony conspiracy folk and wishing you would point out the fact that Ernie Gruen was in an adulterous relationship at the time he brought his accusations against KCF, I don’t have a lot to say.

    People have valid questions and valid objections to what is going on in Lakeland. I can only give the perspective of what I have seen and studied.

  14. Grammar Police permalink
    June 4, 2008 9:24 pm

    ‘Whose’ kid are you bashing?

  15. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 4, 2008 9:30 pm

    Ha-Ha! You are correct!

  16. Dan Curant permalink
    June 5, 2008 6:58 am

    Greycoats, nicest comment I have ever seen from an “anti-lakeland” position, congrats.

    One point: You have seen “escapees” from “prophetic”-style movements. That is one data set. There is another data set, and that is those who believe they seen the redemptive operation of the Spirit in their lives in the “third wave” or “prophetic” context.

    Similarly, public school teachers see home-school droputs and develop an opinion based on the data set that they see.

    I believe you are accurately reporting what you have seen.

    I also believe there is a data set that you are not seeing, and that is those of us who have been profoundly blessed, and better enabled to walk with Christ and live quiet and godly Christian lives, by what is admittedly still a very immature expression in the Body of Christ.

    Thanks again for your reasonableness.

  17. thegreycoats permalink
    June 6, 2008 7:12 pm

    actually ernies affair happened years after he wrote the report. but that is largely irrelevant. dan thanx for your kind response. i have indeed seen and know many who are still in this movement. while i see the point of your response i cant agree with the premise of the statement. Most of the mormons we meet are quite happy in their cult and have no desire to walk away. now i am not saying that charismatics are in a cult but i hope you see the point. while i am aware of the folks who love this movement i am also aware of those who have been spiritually abused by the leadership and the followers of the prophetic movement. i will be the first to agree that if there was such a thing as a perfect church i could not join it because i would ruin its perfect score 🙂 but i would also say that sound doctrine leads to true experience. i have them i love meeting with the Lord in my prayer time. but i dont trust every encounter that i have even if it feels good. i weigh it against the truth of the word of God. in the past i was not so inclined and paid dearly for it. as have many. God meets some of the doctrine police. some of us have real relationships with Christ just as some of you have. and as a brother my only desire is to see my brethren worship in spirit and in truth. for God is looking for both not either one at the expense of the other. any way as i read this post again it made me sad. fact is most of these doctrine police probably just want to rescue some who will be hurt by this stuff. and for sure many react to pain they have from this kind of thing and tend to project it in their post. but they are not in all probability all or even mostly pharisees. peace

  18. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 6, 2008 7:29 pm

    The doctrine police have an inherent belief that their beliefs are the only correct ones and it is their God-given duty to correct the rest of the body of Christ. See my original post on the Doctrine Police.

    I don’t have a problem with people who have legitimate questions and concerns about specific doctrine or practices of any group. The issue is do you have relationship with the people you are trying to bring correction to. If you do not, then you don’t have the right to do so. This is why I do not name specific names. I am commenting on generalities rather than bashing specific people.

    I strongly object to the fact that some have brought up Todd’s before conversion past and stated that his sin prior to conversion disqualifies him from ministry. That is so bogus and so against everything the cross stands for.

    There are things that are non-negotiable. Jesus Christ, fully God and fully man, was born of a virgin, lived a sinless, perfect life, was crucified for our sins and raised from the dead for our justification. That is non-negotiable.

    The belief in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit has generated much debate. Whether the gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today is another. A Southern Baptist and a Pentecostal theologian can each read the same passage of scripture and will come up with two completely different interpretations. Both will hold to the death that they each believe in the inerrancy of scripture and that their interpretation is based solely on the Word of God, but their interpretations are completely contradictory.

    That is where the doctrine police mentality will show itself. When you make a non-essential point essential and have no grace toward those who hold a different point of view based on their view of scripture, you become the doctrine police.

  19. SINdee permalink
    June 8, 2008 4:55 pm

    Perhaps some of Todd’s critics are people who
    love God and are want to see revival adorned
    with holiness. Perhaps some of those TB fans
    are just as rude. Everyone needs to love, even
    you superior River people. There’s tons of
    arrogance in your camp. Sad on both ends.
    This post is antagonistic more than love.

  20. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 8, 2008 5:07 pm

    This is what frustrates me.

    There IS holiness in this movement. People are getting saved, getting delivered of their porn addictions, getting delivered of their drug usage and getting delivered of homosexual desires/lifestyles. They are standing up and testifying about these things to the entire world (like 200 MILLION people watching!)

    And all people want to talk about is Todd’s manifestations, Todd’s tattoos and Todd’s pre-conversion past.

    For those of us in this River, this is all about what Jesus is doing. Jesus is healing people. Jesus is saving people. Jesus is delivering people. We could care less about Todd. He is not who we are looking at or for. He is merely a conduit. For those who do not want this, it is all about Todd and they don’t see Jesus in any of this. Which group has the proper focus?

  21. dyingTOself permalink
    June 10, 2008 5:02 am

    Praise God for rahabsplace 🙂
    I agree there are a LOT of bashing going on about Todd Bentley and that’s a shame. They’re missing out something HUGE. I’ve been watching the revival for 3 weeks now, and it’s done nothing but INCREASE my LOVE for JESUS 🙂

  22. tom permalink
    June 19, 2008 10:06 am

    Deuteronomy 13 v 12-14 “13 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town.” (Sword = Word of God)

    Proverbs 17 v 150 “He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD”

    Proverbs 18 v 15 “The heart of the prudent acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge”

    Titus 1 v 9 “Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.”

    1 Timothy 1 v 3 “That you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine”

    John 7 v 24 Jesus said: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (using the Word of God)

    Rom 16 v 17 “Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them”

    1 Corinthians 5 v 9 v 13 “9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler–not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES

  23. Mary B permalink
    June 19, 2008 11:34 pm

    I was at the revival for 3 days. May 31-June 2 and it was a wonderful time. I could sense God’s manifest presence the second I walked into the tent (building). The worship was awesome and very powerful. I could tell that the people there were there for one reason, to give praise, honor and worship to the Lord Jesus Christ and to meet Him there for their needs. That is why I went. People were very serious about God, that is one thing that really struck me when I was there. No playing church that I could see.

    I went to one morning service at Ignited Church and afterwards they had evangelism training where we went out after the training, door to door. They gave us an area on the map to cover. We went in teams, and our team had 4 people, then we divided up into 2’s and knocked on doors. Some of the people we met knew about the revival some didn’t so we invited them to come and also, the lady I was with and I had a chance to pray for a little girl with autism and her foster Mom that we met going door to door. I came away from the Revival revived in my Spiritual life, and my faith is even stronger in God than ever before. It was a very positive experience and I’d like to go back if they are still holding meetings in the fall.

    All the criticism I’m reading really baffles me. Someone I told about the meetings forwarded a newsletter to me, warning me about Todd Bentley. It seemed like a gossip piece to me, just filled with misinformation and outright lies. It’s almost as if there is spiritual blindness with some of these critics. I don’t understand how someone can criticize other people’s worship to God. That’s what the revival was about, just pure praise and worship and pressing in to get a touch from the Lord. Isn’t that what we as Christians should be doing? Falling madly in love with our Saviour? This revival is not about Todd Bentley, in fact he wasn’t there all the services I was at. It’s all about Jesus.

  24. Larry permalink
    June 24, 2008 7:17 pm

    Have you seriously looked at Bentley’s track record since he’s been doing the Lakeland show? He’s a proven liar. How can a liar speak for God? Can you produce ANY documented evidence of healings? If so, please do.

  25. rahabsplace permalink*
    June 24, 2008 11:44 pm

    There are two medically documented accounts on my site. Val Thomas’, which was reported on by the AP (This is One of the Resurrections) and a young man in Belfast, which was reported on by the News Letter, the oldest English language newspaper in existence (Teenager Back From the Dead).

    CBN has a couple of documented healings up on their site.

    I tend to believe people that I see who say, “I was here last week and you prayed for me. I went to the doctor and my (insert illness here) is gone and here are the reports proving it,” and they then hand the reports over. I especially believe it when I remember seeing them in the healing line. Or when they bring in before and after photos showing the scoliosis in their spine moved over three inches. That one was fun.

    I went to Lakeland. I met people there who had been healed. I wasn’t of them and that’s okay.

  26. tom permalink
    July 4, 2008 11:50 pm

    doctrine police= christians who read and obey scripture. thats funny rahab doctrine police.

  27. rahabsplace permalink*
    July 4, 2008 11:54 pm

    No, Tom, the doctrine don’t obey scripture. They generally don’t heal the sick, cleanse the lepers and raise the dead as Jesus commanded. They believe their powerless interpretation is the only correct one. They do not believe that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, because they don’t believe He is continuing to do His works through His Body the same way He did them when He walked on the earth. They brand anyone who does not believe exactly what they believe a heretic.

  28. mtyokawonis permalink
    September 19, 2008 1:09 pm

    wow!!!!!! so glad i found this blog

    I agree one hundred percent!! STOP THE CHILD ABUSE!!!!

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